"The Internet is a medium for creating new mediums — or at least it was."
— Blaine Cook ( @blaine ) ( https://bsky.app/profile/blaine.bsky.social )
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My paraphrase of something Blaine Cook ( @blaine ) ( https://bsky.app/profile/blaine.bsky.social ) said:
The original idea of WebFinger was to separate your identity from the application and services you use.
Rather that bind then together (as on the Fediverse).
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Blaine Cook ( @blaine ) ( https://bsky.app/profile/blaine.bsky.social ) quoting someone else:
"Be the media."
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Blaine Cook ( @blaine ) ( https://bsky.app/profile/blaine.bsky.social ) asked who knows the history of the telegraph.
( @reiver note: I do a bit. I learned Morse code as a young child — my father's sister's husband had me learn it.)
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Blaine Cook ( @blaine ) ( https://bsky.app/profile/blaine.bsky.social ) going from history of Telegram to the Telephone.
( @reiver note: My father was a Telecommunications Engineer. He was in the industry during both when it analog and digital eras. I heard A LOT about the physics, math, and technology of telephone technology. )
Paraphrasing Blaine Cook ( @blaine ) ( https://bsky.app/profile/blaine.bsky.social ):
You could fix how Mastodon and the Fediverse uses WebFinger if WebFinger could point to multiple profiles.
It doesn't now. But it could.
#ATmosphereConf #FediDev #FediDevs #Fediverse #MastoDev #Mastodon
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Blaine Cook ( @blaine ) ( https://bsky.app/profile/blaine.bsky.social ) top priorities:
• moderation tools
• fixing the relay problem
• lexicons
• plus A LOT more
(This was a ATproto specific answer.)
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Blaine Cook ( @blaine ) ( https://bsky.app/profile/blaine.bsky.social ) mentioned that the new Raspberry Pi 5 has the same computing power as Twitter when it had 5 million users.
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Paul Frazee ( @pfrazee.com ) on stage now.
Paul Frazee ( @pfrazee.com ):
The 3 big efforts to try to re-decentralize the Web and Internet:
• blockchains <--- most money went here
• P2P
• federation
Paul Frazee ( @pfrazee.com ):
P2P has a lot problems.
For example — Creating a good comment section is extremely difficult if not impossible, with P2P
Paul Frazee ( @pfrazee.com ):
ActivityPump got renamed to ActivityPub — that was a good rename 🙂
Paul Frazee ( @pfrazee.com ):
The worst thing we (Bluesky) did to people was request them to understand DNS.
For example — one time we had to explain DNS to Flavor Fav.
🙂
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Paul Frazee ( @pfrazee.com ):
"What if we (Bluesky) did P2P with servers — I'll call that server-to-server."
Paul Frazee ( @pfrazee.com ):
Bluesky / ATProto lexicon almost was RDF — and would have been if Paul had more time.
Paul Frazee ( @pfrazee.com ):
Bluesky didn't use ActivityPub for 2 reasons —
№1:
Because of the identity issue.
Once you make a choice (of server) you are locked in.
You cannot migrate freely.
(Current Fediverse migration not good enough.)
№2:
The culture on the Fediverse at the time.
There was a culture on the Fediverse of being hostile towards global aggregators.
( @reiver note: AFAICT, this is a very small minority of hyper hostile individuals.)
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Paul Frazee ( @pfrazee.com ):
Bluesky practical decentralization:
• cost reduction — cheaper relays
• AppView / self-hosted Bluesky — partial sync based on follow graph — can we reach $100 per month — build smarter sync engine — indiesky
• improve user-experience
• PLC governance — moving to separate legal entity
Paul Frazee ( @pfrazee.com ):
There is a GitHub discussion about ATProto Call For Developer Projects
https://github.com/bluesky-social/atproto/discussions/3049
Stuff for others to work on.
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Nick Gerakines ( @ngerakines.me ) on stage.
Presenting about Smoke Signal ( https://smokesignal.events/ ).
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Nick Gerakines ( @ngerakines.me ):
Mentioned article:
https://www.anildash.com//2024/05/29/systems-the-purpose-of-a-system/
Nick Gerakines ( @ngerakines.me ):
ActivityPub and Mastodon are effectively the same thing to most people.
( @reiver note: this seems similar to the phrase "the Mastodon in the room".)
#ATmosphereConf #ActivityPub #Fediverse #Mastodon #TheMastodonInTheRoom
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Nick Gerakines ( @ngerakines.me ):
Mentioned:
https://lexicon.community/
For an organization to create Lexicons.
In JSON-LD talk — this is similar to JSON-LD namespaces.
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Nick Gerakines ( @ngerakines.me ):
https://plc.directory/ needs to be distributed and P2P.
Nick Gerakines ( @ngerakines.me ) and someone in the audience —
Talking about how #Golang interfaces might serve as a good model for how software uses lexicons / namespaces.
Ex: anything that has fields 'A' 'B', etc, just works in the user-interface.
Peter Wang ( https://bsky.app/profile/wang.social ) on stage.
Peter Wang ( https://bsky.app/profile/wang.social ) set up a small fund for Developer Grants.
Peter Wang ( https://bsky.app/profile/wang.social ):
The Rust programming-language is the hipster thing to do and be interested in.
Peter Wang ( https://bsky.app/profile/wang.social ):
Social is not like a choice between Linux distributions. Social is something more foundational to human nature.
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Peter Wang ( https://bsky.app/profile/wang.social ):
Every app doesn't need to be a unicorn. [Some can just be useful.]
Peter Wang ( https://bsky.app/profile/wang.social ):
Having a shared social protocol is similar to when the railroads became the same and could work with anyone's trains.
Peter Wang ( https://bsky.app/profile/wang.social ) mentioned a previous talk of his:
"Towards a Humane Network" (2017)
Peter Wang ( https://bsky.app/profile/wang.social ) mentioned a previous talk of his:
"The Web We Lost, and The Web We Must Build"
https://github.com/pzwang/lostweb
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Peter Wang ( https://bsky.app/profile/wang.social ) mentioned a previous talk of his:
"Every person's attention is zero-sum."
Peter Wang ( https://bsky.app/profile/wang.social ) mentioned a previous talk of his:
He (Peter) is interested in investing in AI.
(Ignore the current AI hype. The useful stuff.)
He wants humane and human-focused AI.
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Jay Graber ( @jay.bsky.team ) on stage.
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Jay Graber ( @jay.bsky.team ) mentioned:
"A Declaration of the Independence of Cyberspace", by John Perry Barlow (of EFF fame)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Declaration_of_the_Independence_of_Cyberspace
Jay Graber ( @jay.bsky.team ):
"Have you heard of the butterfly-effect."
( @reiver note: you can be the butterfly who can have a large effect.)
I have gone to one of the unrecorded discussion rooms, since the talks are recorded (and I can watch it later).
Topics up to discuss:
• user intents
• AI feed
• classification & moderation
• using social-media content for research
• labeling & AI tags
Talking about ATProto user-intent first.
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Peter Wang wants gov't regulators to enforce ATProto user-intent.
( @reiver note: I think that would be a very bad idea — a cure that would be worse than the disease.)
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The same person (Peter Wang) is talking about licensing — i.e., requiring gov't permission.
( @reiver note: again, I think that would be a very bad idea — a cure that would be worse than the disease.)
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Rabble ( @rabble ) talking about how — if you had someone else's PDS user-data on your phone, German regulation would require you to file paperwork every single time you cross a German state line. And, if you don't, the whole social-media is illegal under German GDPR law.
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I brought up an issue regarding regulation —
How do you create a law that distinguishes the difference between thr learning that humans do versus learning that AIs do.
(I don't think this is a point that should be ignored — as you could end up with a cure that is worse than the disease.)
Boris Mann ( @boris ) talking about if the community made their ATProto docs CC-NC, then Bluesky company could not contribute.
Oops — unintended consequence.
Conner Ruhl mentioning that regulations is favoring AI companies with lots of money and hurting open-source AI projects that don't have money to deal with regulations.
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Conner Ruhl mentioning that ATProto user-intents is giving people a false sense of security.
Bad actor won't care about them.
If you want to be private, you need to actually make your data private!